judge sides with the MPAA to uphold torrent sites to log IPs

Category: Geeks r Us

Post 1 by skpoet711 (Zone BBS is my Life) on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2007 16:51:40

Consider this judge's ignorant interpretation of ram. Bare in mind that ram is random access memory and will be erased should the given computer is rebooted, shut down, restarted, or a program is terminated.
Judge requires torrent sites like torrentspy to turn over IPs logs to the mpaa
read the whole article here
I do download torrents. But I own most of what I download as it is on dvd/audio cds. Therefore, before any of you jump down my throats about wanting things for free... My reason for downloads is the following
1. I can't convert dvds in to .avi for easy storage/access. I simply have not found an accessible program that does that just yet.
2. I want my files in a single place so I can easily find what I wish to watch/listen to.
3. I can store away the originals so it won't get damage and access them electronically. if my music/audio book becomes corrupted, I can just rip it again. Or save time and redownload them :P

Post 2 by fuzzy101 (The master of fuzz!!) on Wednesday, 29-Aug-2007 21:41:13

There's no article.

Post 3 by Perestroika (Her Swissness) on Thursday, 30-Aug-2007 7:23:31

Poet, try switch for converting. it's really good.

Post 4 by KC8PNL (The best criticism of the bad is the practice of the better.) on Thursday, 30-Aug-2007 13:48:07

Yes, switch is indeed good. I'm not sure you can convert dvd files to avi, but you can do this with xilasoft video converter for sure. As for this IP logging BS: it's not a problem. What people don't realize is that there is no way to prevent people from file sharing. IP addresses can be faked, CD players can record music in to mp3 format on your computer, and dvd players can even be recorded on to your computer, video and all. Bottom line: there is no way to prevent those who really want to from sharing illegal files. The RIAA and other organizations are both wasting their money on this crap, and are also continuing to lose any good feelings that consumers may have left toward them.

Post 5 by skpoet711 (Zone BBS is my Life) on Thursday, 30-Aug-2007 21:10:20

sorry about that
the link apparently didn't work
the articl is below
A federal judge has upheld a
magistrate's decision
forcing TorrentSpy to enable server logging so the Motion Picture Association of America can obtain the IP addresses of those connecting to BitTorrent
files via the service. There's one small hitch for the MPAA, though. TorrentSpy has decided to
block access by US residents
, ensuring that the MPAA will find little of interest in the log files and rendering the court's decision moot—at least for this case.

list of 3 items
• TorrentSpy to MPAA: Log this! Site blocks US searches
• BitTorrent site ordered to enable server logs, turn them over to MPAA
• EFF and CDT: Torrentspy decision could spell end of Internet privacy
list end

Throughout its existence, TorrentSpy has not been in the habit of keeping server logs. Its old privacy policy said that it did not collect any personal
information on users, including IP addresses. After the MPAA filed
suit
against TorrentSpy (and a handful of other of other tracker sites), the expected treasure trove of IP addresses failed to emerge from TorrentSpy due to
the aforementioned lack of logs. The MPAA's response was simple: try to force TorrentSpy to turn on logging.

TorrentSpy fought the MPAA's request, arguing that privacy laws in the Netherlands—where the servers are physically located—prevented it from maintaining
and disclosing the logs. The site also argued that the log data wasn't available, since it existed only in RAM, and as such, was never stored.

The magistrate judge didn't buy that argument, and in her opinion reaffirming the magistrate's order, neither did Judge Florence-Marie Cooper. Judge Cooper
took issue with TorrentSpy's argument that data in RAM is not "stored." She noted RAM's function as primary storage and that the storage of data in RAM—even
if not permanently archived—makes it electronically stored information governed by federal discovery rules.

Judge Cooper also noted the language of the discovery rule governing electronically stored information, which states that the rule is "expansive" and includes
"any type of information that is stored electronically." She also dismissed concerns that the ruling would have a significant impact as far as record-keeping
obligations. "The Court notes that this decision does not impose an additional burden on any website operator or party outside of this case," reads the
order. "It simply requires that the defendants in this case, as part of this litigation... begin preserving and subsequently produce a particular subset
of the data in RAM under Defendants' control."

Since TorrentSpy is no longer doing business in the US, the judge's ruling will have little real impact on this case. It could, however, have far-reaching
ramifications beyond this case. Under this interpretation, any data stored in RAM could be subject to a subpoena, as at a basic level it is a "medium from
which information can be obtained" just like a hard drive.

Post 6 by rat (star trek rules!) on Friday, 31-Aug-2007 10:39:32

what next? will they want to look at the screen images of their computers? i mean, really

Post 7 by sledge071 (Shadow Rider, Bourne of Light) on Friday, 31-Aug-2007 22:31:03

Examination of an LCD display at a distance is already possible with a system employed by the national security community, called Eschalon. But no matter how invasive the espionage, enterprising people will inevitably invent a means of circumvention.

Post 8 by battle star queen (I just keep on posting!) on Sunday, 02-Sep-2007 1:05:43

So any judge can access any person's computer?

Post 9 by serrebi101 (Veteran Zoner) on Monday, 03-Sep-2007 20:53:16

no. Don't get all paranoid over this. It only applies to torrent spy, and torrent spy didn't actually do it, they just locked out the US IP addresses from accessing the site since the courte system there is to interested in frivalus crap like this. There's plenty other sites like suprnova.org , scrapetorrent.com , and thepiratebay.org

Post 10 by mistervera (the Zone BBS remains forever my home page) on Tuesday, 04-Sep-2007 1:44:40

Its so stupid I mean there are so menny that log on to the site how are they going to keep track of them all?
When are they going to give up?